Why do atheists hate the concept of a divine creator? what wrong with total belief in something unseen?
many scientist believe in the concept of parallel universes, the God particle, and many other things their logic says "could" exist doesn’t mean it does.
John 3:19- And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:01 am
It’s easy to defeat the Straw Men you put up, isn’t it?
"hate the concept of a divine creator"
"what wrong with total belief in something unseen"
Not to mention your equating atheists with scientists (or visa versa).
The claim that many of us hold is that there is no warrantable reason to believe in something unless there is verifiable evidence that it is true, be it mathematical or physical, or through secondary evidence, such as effects on third parties (ie. black matter and gravity wells). The ideas you mentioned may not have solid proof, but then again we are not collectively advocating them, and the scientists are not trying to irrationally press the ideas upon the masses.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:08 am
"It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true."
–Bertrand Russell
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:27 am
Some atheists hate it because religion deludes people, keeps them from being happy, takes their money, starts wars, creates hypocrites, etc. I on the other hand don’t care.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:56 am
I don’t hate a divine creator – I hate his fan club.
You are the people who will KILL for your imaginary god, and that’s scary!
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Edit: Spyro is correct – but unlike him, I DO care!!
March 1st, 2010 at 10:15 am
It is maintained that everything we see in this world has a cause, and as you go back in the chain of causes further and further you must come to a First Cause, and to that First Cause you give the name of God. That argument, I suppose, does not carry very much weight nowadays, because, in the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and it has not anything like the vitality it used to have; but, apart from that, you can see that the argument that there must be a First Cause is one that cannot have any validity. I may say that when I was a young man and was debating these questions very seriously in my mind, I for a long time accepted the argument of the First Cause, until one day, at the age of eighteen, I read John Stuart Mill’s Autobiography, and I there found this sentence: "My father taught me that the question ‘Who made me?’ cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question ‘Who made God?’" That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu’s view, that the world rested upon an elephant and that elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject." The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time upon the argument about the First Cause.
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March 1st, 2010 at 10:37 am
Because both ideas of god and parallel universes are bogus.
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March 1st, 2010 at 11:10 am
The funny thing is all these smug Atheists will most likely be proven wrong by the very thing they hold dearest: science. Science itself may prove the existence of a supreme being… there is so much we do not understand.
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LOL wow I can’t believe that 11 thumbs down… wohoo thats a new record. Why is that such an unpopular idea?
March 1st, 2010 at 11:47 am
they can’t prove aliens exist yet they’re not willing to say they don’t…
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March 1st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
There is nothing wrong with a divine creator. I just can’t believe something i can’t see and touch, especially something as convoluted and spun-up as god. i wish i could believe in god, but i can’t, and i’ve stoped forcing myself to.
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March 1st, 2010 at 1:22 pm
First of all, atheists (if we are going to generalize as you did) don’t "hate" the concept. They just don’t believe in it. I have not detected any hate in anyone i know who is an atheist.
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March 1st, 2010 at 1:59 pm
The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
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March 1st, 2010 at 2:42 pm
For certain any divine creator is not i repeat not all powerful or omnipotent.
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March 1st, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Hate? How can I hate what doesn’t exist. Only the idea exists, and I’m open to all ideas.
Total belief in something unseen is a ticket to a mental hospital dear one.
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March 1st, 2010 at 3:55 pm
They have math backing them up.
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March 1st, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Atheists don’t hate the concept of a divine creator, they just don’t agree with it.
References for "many scientist [sic] believe in the concept of parallel universes" please.
"God particle" is an unfortunate misnomer for the Higgs boson, having nothing to do with any deity.
Total belief in something that is undetectable doesn’t follow logic. There are tests one can do to measure the hypothesized Higgs boson, they are very expensive, and underway.
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March 1st, 2010 at 4:39 pm
John 3:19- And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
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March 1st, 2010 at 5:10 pm
"Could" is a long ways off from "is". I don’t hate the concept of a deity, I just don’t find it to be very realistic.
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March 1st, 2010 at 5:49 pm
they don’t just make that info up though, there are evidences for actually 12 dimensions, according to Einstein, not one shred of proof of a God, sorries
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March 1st, 2010 at 6:33 pm
We don’t hate the concept of a divine creator, we know it’s just a story. The problem with total belief in something unseen, is that people who have those beliefs, want to force them on the rest of us. If people would just keep their religious beliefs to themselves, most of the world’s problems would evaporate.
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March 1st, 2010 at 7:21 pm
i hate the concept that people do horrible acts in the name of an unseen, unproven god
now if everyone treated religion like it is, a THEORY, then we can actually work together to find out if a god exists
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March 1st, 2010 at 8:01 pm
It’s not that we hate the concept of a divine creator. That’s like asking you why you hate the concept of unicorns.
We just don’t believe there IS such a thing. There is no evidence whatsoever to believe that "God" is anything other than a fictional character.
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March 1st, 2010 at 8:49 pm
“It is impossible to reason someone out of something that he did not reason himself into in the first place.” – Jonathan Swift
"Hate"?
Why is it that theists always toss around the idea that Atheists "Hate" god?
Do I "Hate" UFO’s because I haven’t seen evidence that they exist?
Do I "Hate" ghost’s because I haven’t seen evidence that they exist?
You can’t hate an imaginary being…
SHOW ME EVIDENCE OF YOUR GOD’S EXISTENCE AND I WILL REEVALUATE MY POSITION ON THE SUBJECT.
It is time to either put up or shut up… Forever…
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1. You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, that’s illogical.
2. Therefore, the burden of proof/evidence is on the believers in god.
3. There is no proof/evidence of god.
4. You can decide for yourself which one of these you believe:
a) There is no evidence of god existing , but we cannot prove that he doesn’t exist so we must place him on the "we don’t know list", Since we cannot prove that fairies and dragons aren’t real either, we must also place them on the "We don’t know list". Anything that I make up off the top of my head must also be placed on this list simply because you cannot prove that it doesn’t exist. Therefore there is no such thing as non-existence.
b) Fairies, dragons, unicorns, etc. are regarded as non-existent because there is no indisputable evidence of their existence. God should be labeled non-existent for the very same reason.
You decide which is more logical.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:10 pm
When you finally decide to sit down and actually study something other than the bizarre stories from your trusty bible, you should start with the history of religion. Make sure you pay close attention to where religion started, its travel through the time of the cave days, mythology, yadda yadda yadda. The only reason religion exists is due to the popular fear of the unknown, the fear of death. Fear is the heart of god. If all you wack jobs were under the impression that you could live forever, then YOU would be the god. Take after evolution and allow your brain to EVOLVE.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:18 pm
If I write in a book that a little blue man exists on Mars, are you going to believe me? What’s wrong with total belief in the little blue man? The same thing that’s wrong with your beliefs, which are just as crazy as you believing in a little blue man because someone says it in a book, and may even repeat it to you on Sunday. That kind of believing is no logic.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:28 pm
In the past three decades most have stopped seeing God as unseen. It is too hard for them. So they are assuming that IF they call Jesus "God" they can get away with it. Even though there are over 550 places just in the New Testament that state as you have written. I am glad you are sticking with the truth.
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Because god doesn’t exist.
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March 1st, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Any scientist who believes in something that is not fasifiable or confirmable is not, in that instance, practicing science, but rather is expressing faith or opinion.
A scientist can believe all kinds of things not related to science if he so chooses.
Atheists don’t "hate" the concept of a creator. Atheists just don’t see a shred of a speck of a dot of evidence that such a thing exists in the world.
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March 1st, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Who says that we "hate the concept" of a creator? Do you hate the concept of Santa Claus? Probably not, but that has nothing to do with you not believing in him, right?
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March 1st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Nobody hates the idea of God, and no one says "there’s no way a God can exist" I for one just say that I’ve never seen anything that would suggest any God exists.
I believe in lots of things with only a tiny bit of evidence. If my wife says she saw a lizard on the side of the road, I’ll believe her. If she says she saw Godzilla, I’ll ask for some evidence. If she can’t produce any, I’ll conclude she was mistaken.
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March 1st, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Many atheists, and I am one of them, have no dislike, let alone hate of anyones belief in God, Evolution is the best theory yet put up by science as an explanation, it is not a perfect model and there are many problems and disagreements over sections of it. It shall no doubt improve somewhat over time.
I’ll point out that many atheists believe in metaphysical philosophy which is only backed up by logic and no hard evidence, so to speak.
You should accept my atheism as I should accept your christianity. It is too simplistic to say that, ‘Atheists hate etc’, or ‘All christians are etc’,
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March 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 am
Love is unseen in itself, but it’s effects *are* seen. Love is not logical. People love even when it causes them pain and sacrifice. It doesn’t make sense, but that is love. It is real and it exists. Selfishness and hate is the opposite, although that is a basic human reaction when we are met with something unpleasant. Saving a person’s self or saving themselves pain or suffering even when they are causing or allowing pain or suffering for someone else (who is not thought of as close) is considered reasonable. Sad, but reasonable. Hate or rage is what comes up first when we experience injustice of some kind. Again, human nature. It does make sense for survival. But love is unconditional and illogical. It doesn’t think of self and risks self destruction because of the harsh environment we face in the world.
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March 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 am
Do you think believe in something unseen is normal ?
How can u believe in something if no one can prove its existence ?
Don’t u think u wasted lots of sunday in church ?
Do something more meaningful and you will be respected by people in society
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March 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 am
I don’t hate the concept anymore than I hate the concept of there being a Santa Clause. I believe in all sorts of things that I can not see because I can see the provable effects of the unseen. Like wind, air, electrons, magnetic fields. radio waves, light waves that I can not see. But I do not believe in fairies, goblins, elves, unicorns, God etc because there is no evidence not even through effects. There is nothing testable because none of them exist. To believe in things like that would be called delusional. Sometimes when scientist are looking at data, they use logic in an attempt to understand what the data means. You are right that they could be wrong about their guess on what the data could mean, but that is part of the scientific method. You test your hypothesis to see if it supports the data you are looking at, if it doesn’t you move on to the next idea of what the data means until you find a match, then it becomes theory. There are test you could do in an attempt at a hypothesis of God. Religion says prayer works and that is easily testable and it fails. Everyone gets different results from prayer that relates closer to statistics than to a God. Christians think God is working in their lives, again very testable, since if God was working in their lives, their lives should be different than others, but that also fails. So now we know prayer does not work and God grants no benefit to believers. Events in life are completely random, again evidence against a structured God (usually explained as God works in mysterious ways). If there was evidence of a divine creator I would believe, just like I believe in everything else I have evidence for. But christians don’t want to use evidence and even frown on the concept. They seem to think faith makes more sense and value that more than logic and reason. Some of us need to have evidence otherwise we would just be following ancient mans imagination / superstitions and we don’t want to pretend it is God.
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March 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 am
We don’t hate it we just don’t buy it.
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March 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 am
1) Cold can be felt by everyone/anyone. Even if you don’t believe in it, you can be placed in a freezer and experience cold. The affect of cold can be measured, recorded and defined. (The imaginary creator god of theistic religions can not.)
2) Parallel universes, referred to as the multiverse or metaverse theories. There are many ideas and NONE have been proven. (M-theory, Tegmark’s Classification, etc…) However, each of the scientific communities that research these theories (and Parallel or quantum universes in general) have in depth, complex mathematics showing the plausibility of their theories. And, each of these people are following a scientific method to prove their hypotheses’. ‘Faith’ does NOT play a part in their determinations. The idea of a god forgoes ALL scientific processes to rely purely on faith… In fact, in many cases it even REJECTS science in favor of faith.
3) Atheists do NOT ‘hate’ the concept of a god or a divine creator. Atheists just do not believe in such a being and find it difficult to comprehend how anyone else can. Me, being an antitheist, take it a step farther and feel that such a belief in a creator being (god) is detrimental to humanity. Why? Well, superficially, I could…and obviously will, list groups like Westboro Baptist Church, Hyper-Calvinism, radical Militant Islamic groups, the inquisitions, the crusades, the numerous atrocities committed by religious ‘missionaries’ spreading the word of god, and the list could go on. Of course, I realize those that perpetuate such actions have been and are the minority, however, as Voltaire said, "Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities." and the idea of an invisible creator that has no provable presence and absolutely NO evidence of his existence, IS an absurdity.
In my opinion, there are three types of theistic believers. There are the ‘lip service’ believers who grew up with the legends of mythos of their religion and have become attached to them. They ‘believe’ in their god because they always have, but that is the extent of their belief. They are NOT active in their religion, if they have a ‘religion’, only attending services on special occasion, if ever. These people are harmless because whatever they believe they keep to themselves and, generally speaking, they believe EVERYONE has a right to believe what they will. They don’t pass judgment on others.
Then you have the ‘Practicing theists.’ These are the people that go to church regularly. many may not agree 100% with their churches ideas and principals, but either they grew up in that religion so stay with it, or they believe their church is as close to correct as is human possible. If confronted about their faith they will defend their beliefs but they don’t push their faith on others or pass judgment on other peoples faiths…or lack their of. These people are generally harmless. They are not out to ‘convert the mass’ or ’save the world.’
Unfortunately, you have believers of the third kind. These are the zealots. The ones that believe their faith is right and others are wrong. There are varying degrees of zealots, some are hostile and some passive, but all of them are dangerous. these are the ones that hand out tracks telling people that if they aren’t member of their faith, they are damned to hell or who will not make friends with anyone outside their own faith. These are the people that perpetuate hate under the guise of love. The people that believe they have the ‘divine right’ to preach, teach and spread the word of their deity but also believe they have the right to prevent all others from spreading their ‘false words.’ They try to dictate morality based on their religious texts, NOT on what is best for all people. These are the people that will bring about the most harm and the main reason I am an antitheist. It’s not the idea of a god, it’s the fools that have faith in him that causes the most problems.
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